Have you ever found yourself asking this question in your business? Or maybe ‘which is more important and should we combine the roles or separate them?’
If you ask marketing leaders, they generally see salespeople as ‘prima donnas’, people that continuously give them grief over their customers. If you ask sales leaders they generally see marketing as the area that gets all the glory without doing the hard yards in front of the customer. Sales and marketing should work hand in hand, and yet, in many ways, the views and skillsets are poles apart.
So what is the answer?
I was having dinner with a CEO of an international manufacturer a few weeks ago and the conversation turned to ‘what is the single most important area of the business to understand as a CEO?’. Her answer - “the people in the business”. I put up an alternative view to this and said I believe it is the customer! As the conversation continued, some great points were raised by both sides of the discussion. In the end, we agreed that both were of great importance and depending on where your greatest level of expertise sat, would then determine your belief.
After this discussion, I thought about both this question and the sales and marketing question and came to the conclusion that the answers stem from the same source. The way we traditionally set up org. structures and view the roles we are used to, and comfortable with, forces us to segregate, build silos and take a position of one over the other. This then led me to think about the global disruption happening in the western world, when it comes to customer/supplier relationships and how a business reacts to these changes. Maybe the traditional role titles, and subsequent skills, were in need of an overhaul to meet the changing world now and into the future.
The two core outcomes I look for when training teams is to heighten the awareness of always improving the customer experience in order to grow revenue and profit and how to get these teams to adopt the change quicker than they’ve been doing in the past, and then building even greater velocity. This is not a sales management challenge this is a total organization challenge. When we boil it all down, a huge part of a business day is either trying to influence customer behaviour or influence staff behaviour, sometimes both at the same time.
These insights aren’t new, however at the pace the world is changing, the need to be even more highly engaged in these two core outcomes is new!
So taking all of the above into consideration and pulling this apart over the January break, I came up with my answer to the earlier questions:
Create org. structure around two key capabilities (both of equal importance)
- Customer Experience – How do we make the customer feel. Making sure once we engage with them, we never lose them
- People Change – How do we get our people to adopt and adapt to change? How do we get them to lead and follow? How do we keep the ones we want?
Underpinning or cutting through these two capabilities would be the company’s digital strategy/capabilities and technology capabilities.
Skills that currently live in marketing, sales and operations would sit within the customer experience and skills in training and people development would sit within people change.
I am a firm believer in calling the role for what it is. A persons’ role title should clearly define the core outcome they are there to achieve.
The companies that can understand the customer better, improve the customer experience based on this understanding, and then get their teams to adopt the changes faster will be the ones leading from the front.




